Posts by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

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Watchtower No.3 2017 - The Four Horesmen

by pale.emperor in

this is the first time i've read through a watchtower magazine in about a year.

although i've been our only 8 months it really git me how crazy i must have sounded when i was a jw talking to non jws.. while other bible based religions talk about the 4 horsemen and back up their theories with other scriptures or historical evidence, the watchtower have taken so such steps.

1914 is thrown in there as if it's universally agreed that jesus started ruling since then.. even when i was a jw i never really understood why, if the pale horse represents jesus, why is he first?

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

The first rider cannot be Jesus. Revelation 6 is describing the beginning of the tribulation, and Jesus is supposed to come back to end the tribulation

Matthew 24:29-30
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’b
30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.c).

In revelation 6 the Lamb is the one that opens the seals, as said in earlier comments, Jesus cannot at the same time be the one riding the white horse.

Also, when Jesus comes, at the end of the tribulation, he will not be the only one riding a white horse (not the one in chapter 6). He will bring others from Heaven with him who also will be on white horses. We do not know how many of these white horses there will be.

Revelation 19
11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns.He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.

Here is a description of Armageddon, which is not the same as revelation 6. In revelation 6 it is the beginning of tribulation with only one white horse, and in revelation 19 it is the end of the tribulation with more white horses.

I think Jesus cannot be the horseman of revelation 6 as how WT describes it.

If they say it is Jesus, then revelation 6 is his second coming, and revelation 19 (in correspondance with the text of Matthew 24) is his third coming???

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If turned off by the GB's latest bloopers- do you still have faith in God and Christ?

by the-Question in

some go back to churchianity!.

and that, to me, indicates they never had real faith in god- but it was in men.....

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

Why are you talking to so called apostates like us?

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If turned off by the GB's latest bloopers- do you still have faith in God and Christ?

by the-Question in

some go back to churchianity!.

and that, to me, indicates they never had real faith in god- but it was in men.....

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

The question..

I think that would be quite presumptuous to say

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If turned off by the GB's latest bloopers- do you still have faith in God and Christ?

by the-Question in

some go back to churchianity!.

and that, to me, indicates they never had real faith in god- but it was in men.....

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

The question

haha ok bye

have fun worshipping men

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If turned off by the GB's latest bloopers- do you still have faith in God and Christ?

by the-Question in

some go back to churchianity!.

and that, to me, indicates they never had real faith in god- but it was in men.....

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

the question

What is this for strange assumption? No argumentation whatsoever. An unjust accusation is this.

If that for you is an indication that those people never had faith in God then it is my assumption that there might be something wrong in your thinking.

I left them because of my faith of God.

I am aware that the Bible encourages us to gather with other believers, therefore I go to church.

Who are you to make these kind of accusations without having a fact based argumentation or logic reasoning?

Edit: do you prefer to be in a Kingdom Hall instead of a Church? Am interested in your reasoning.

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Attitude in Kingdom Hall vs. in church

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

so, today i went to a different church than the jw's for the first time in over three years.. it is a protestant african church.

my first thoughts: for people who are 'trapped in babylon the great (according to watchtower) these people really seem genuingly happy and sincere in their adoration for god.

what a freedom compared to the witnesses!

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

So, today I went to a different church than the JW's for the first time in over three years.

It is a protestant African church. My first thoughts: for people who are 'trapped in Babylon the Great (according to Watchtower) these people really seem genuingly happy and sincere in their adoration for God. What a freedom compared to the witnesses! Babylon the Great feels amazing.

In the kingdom hall I always felt that most of the young people (I mean from 15-25 years, I'm 21 myself) do not even seem to believe in God. They just go to the kingdom hall for whatever reason, but not for God. They don't truly serve God, and if they do, then it surely is not in sincerity. Of course there is a minority of them that truly believes.

But for the majority, I really think they are secretly atheist/agnostic. Do other people have the same thoughts?

In this African church, people are really amazing and truly full of love for God. They are 10000% more Christian than the JW's.

It feels good to be in a church of believers.

Instead of being in a kingdom hall with... don't know how to call them....at least not believers..

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Uk members ?

by midnight in

jw
friends

hi anyone from the uk ?

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Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

Bremen region, Germany, but would love to live in the UK

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Actions and consequences of Lot’s wife vs. David

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

actions and consequences of lot’s wife vs. actions and consequences of david.

genesis 19 talks about how sodom and gomorrah were destroyed.

david under any law: yes, under the law of moses crime: adultery and murder consequence: nothing but blessings from god.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

David Jay

Remember, the word "tradition" means "teaching" or "doctine" in a theological context (very different from what Jehovah's Witnesses teach).
JWs interpret "tradition" to mean that which originates with humans and not God, which of course makes 2 Thessalonians 2:15 unreadable

I actually was not aware of this.I must say the teachings of the witnesses are still affecting me. I have to do more research to get rid of their influence. It makes sense what you say.

The sources are very numerous as they cover secular and Jewish history, include comments from both the Jewish religion and secular archeology. How would you like to proceed? We are talking thousands and thousands and thousands of years of history.

Do you know of some good books that address this topic? I do not need to get into all the traditions of the Jews. However, in relation to Biblical topics such as the story of Lot, it can most certainly clarify certain things (on the condition that we can trust these traditions of course).

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Actions and consequences of Lot’s wife vs. David

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

actions and consequences of lot’s wife vs. actions and consequences of david.

genesis 19 talks about how sodom and gomorrah were destroyed.

david under any law: yes, under the law of moses crime: adultery and murder consequence: nothing but blessings from god.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

Punkofnice
Oh well, that's me out of the discussion. I don't believe the Bible is accurate and certainly not the word of god.....god cannot possibly exist.

1. I don't believe the Bible is accurate and certainly not the word of god

2. God cannot possibly exist.

If point 1 is the reason for you to not believe in God, I do not think you have a strong case. Point 1 does not necessarily lead to point 2. Of course God can exist. I understand that people think the Bible is inaccurate and not the Word of God, but that does not solve the question whether God exists or not.

God can reveal Himself through for instance nature. No Bible involved there.

You can never be sure that God does not exist. What are your reasons for it?

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Actions and consequences of Lot’s wife vs. David

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

actions and consequences of lot’s wife vs. actions and consequences of david.

genesis 19 talks about how sodom and gomorrah were destroyed.

david under any law: yes, under the law of moses crime: adultery and murder consequence: nothing but blessings from god.

Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu

Drearyweather

The point you make about Genesis 19:17 is really nice. I think I missed this meaning while reading the chapter.

For me, it does not matter whether Lot considered them as angels or mere strangers. But he considered their message as God’s command and diligently acted upon it. In fact, some Early Hebrew manuscripts render Genesis 19:18 as "Oh no, Yahweh, please!....", i.e Lot considered them messengers or spokesmen of God.

I think our discussion comes down to this point. For me, it is vital to know whether Lot and his family were aware of the fact that these men were angels. In my view, if they took this message as a message from men, they could not have been held accountable by God for their actions, since they did not know whether it was a commandment made by God. God is not a God of confusion, He would bring his message as clear as possible. The problem I think, is that it can not be said with certainty how this event really took place.

I still think this event is unjust and Lot's wife did not deserve to get the punishment that she received, if you compare this to the actions of David. It seems out of proportion to me.